G.'s invite speak on this topic. Jason. It's up is the director of biomedical engineering or the company that you know why the special on this is not a national system or the beginning of the company to do it doesn't want Jesus or less and you have been resistant and method element. You also know that it's nonsense if he just looked at the manifold and biological and Roy and functional and global leaders senior sensor and design program that's your great six minutes of making the last rock of him from his previous no less a new product development engineer for my last R. and last year after this. And sends it carcasses out Johnson announced on ninety seven year olds and he is seen by Bill and the news from Give us a peek and endless engineering mountain from Florida and I must order my stock we are positive the House and the state the system operation that he's already set up because of the all of this being the piece leads. So that we can see very clearly and clearly and for that I should suck more than they need this far from. Hello everyone. I'd like to thank Dr Joseph and all the organizers for having me here today and I'm joined by some other members from our company who are going to help with the demonstration of change in ways on my team and also part it every year as a summer intern. So the approach we're taking with this presentation is slightly different than what you might have seen so far we're going to focus as much on the method particular method that's been used to bring the technology that started as R. and D. effort within academia to commercial years and there are several important factors along the road that I think we're driving with this excess that we've seen so far today. And I'd like to cover those and they may seem obvious to you but. They're very critical to making the progress from a research idea to your commercial use particularly the first one is that the idea needs to be driven by an MET medical needs and in this case in pressure sensing companies organized around that idea and then maintaining a clear idea for the concept and philosophy for the technology from start to finish it helps to keep the path clear along the way and then as far as how to tackle the challenge you need to stay on top of the many different technical challenges that exist in bringing the concept to life. It's not just a man's nanotechnology a problem to get the device to work involves other areas such as biomedical and our IF engine airing which have equally daunting and difficult challenges to overcome and finally if we have time at the end all talk a little bit more about what our R. and D. team and the rest the company is mostly focused on today which is the the last stage of the work for our fairly application which involves our clinical pivotal little clinical study for our P.M.A. approval. So pressure monitoring is a political to many different therapeutic areas within the medical field and when I talk about pressure I mean invasive pressure at the location of interest and with pressure information within the hospital setting. Doctors are able to make decisions based on this information and are able to know very quickly and accurately what the status is of a particular organ or any other area of interest and normally this sort of information is not available nine basically So there is a constant dilemma on whether it's worth it to go in with a catheter to measure the pressure in that area in order to know what it is versus just working with whatever other symptoms exist. Within these areas two particular areas stood out at the beginning as ones that were major issues in the health care field as we heard earlier in the last presentation heart failure is a major problem which we'll get into a little more and then also aortic aneurism is both of these areas are very linked to pressure and knowing what the pressure is is very helpful and the management of these diseases. As we heard in the previous presentation the trend over the last twenty years has been a reduction in the rate of deaths due to Q coronary higher cardio fortune due to improve care or an angioplasty and other treatments like that but then these patients go on to live with in peri heart function and heart failure. So the rate of heart failure is growing at a rapid pace of people living with compromised heart function. Are becoming more and more common every day and though the rate of survival over time for patients with heart failure is worse for five years than any other disease. Other than one cancer. So here we're talking about a wide range of diseases and you see down at the bottom. The ones with the worst survival rates are on heart failure and lung cancer but different from lung cancer the progression over time is for heart failure is a very gradual decrease in function and coupled with very sudden unexpected balance of the compensation where the management of the young heart failure is us optimal which results in a crisis moment where the patient is rushed to the hospital and typically goes to the I.C.U. and gets I.V. dire. It's or other other drugs to nurse them back to a normal enough function to be able to allow them to return to their home. This is this is a very difficult challenge for a cardiologist to to manage because there are so many factors that can affect there are their status such as their diet for that day. If they have a if the patient has a lot of salt for that day they can now factor balance of all their other medications a whole host of other issues also can exacerbate the symptoms of heart failure and lead to these these urgent I.C.U. visit and with each visit there is a progressive decline as well as often during the visits as one of the patients all to many ladyhood die so that it's very stressful on the patient to have these episodes and not to mention it's also the number one cost in the health care system because of the high cost of these on Persian hospitalizations each day of a stay for this sort of level care is about ten thousand dollars so we want to shift the paradigm for managing heart failure from a reactive to more of a proactive state such as we have here with diabetes measurement of glucose levels drives the administration of insulin and likewise we would like to be able to track the heart pressure when I say heart pressure me into cardiac in truck cardiac pressure which is a key indicator of the congestion level within the heart which is when I say that I mean the feeling pressure for the left side of the heart particularly the left atrium is indicative of the the preload on the heart as well as the young the workload that the left ventricle and pulse of the right ventricle is seeing as a function of congestion you want to try to keep that into the normal range so that you're not taxing or overloading the heart and keeping in mind his heart is already have a heart function is already compromised to begin with this concept of. Monitoring pressure to be able to predict enough coming hospitalization has been studied already in this case. Medtronic looking at the pattern of increase in interest cardiac pressure in this case ph and diastolic pulmonary artery and I felt pressure. There's an increase in pressure typically as much as a week and over a period of days prior to all to minute urgent hospitalization. So the concept is that if you can reduce this increase using medications or in your back into the target range you can prevent this sort of hospitalization using Home Care a sort of model so that the drugs that are available to respond to these pressure trends are that are exists. However the information is lacking in terms of knowing how to adjust these these drugs to optimally treat the patient. And so in their study they did show a relevant decrease in the rate of hospitalization events for their off study group however their target was a thirty percent reduction which they did mean and the reason for this after the fact was it was shown to be due to the inclusion of this group of patients which is more far along in heart failure class for patients. They're typically bedridden and their function has already been severely affected by heart failure and they may be less helped by these sort of treatment methods but in that subgroup of class three patients there was a major reduction in the hostile rehospitalization rate which is a very aggressive number. So let's talk a little bit also about the aneurism application with this was our first product and in this application abdominally order to any reasons are a dilatation of the the order at the bifurcation between the order and the only act arteries and it's the thirteenth leading cause of death in the US the original procedure to repair and I'm Donnelly ordered aneurism is a is a surgery which Reese. It's the any order in this location replaces it with a synthetic craft more recently and a woman all approach has been developed where a stent graft is the ploy from within the artery to route the blood through the diseased section and depressurize this region of course if the pressure exist without being created. Eventually it will rupture at some point leading to a pretty pretty immediate that. So one of the problems with this approach though although preferred by patients because there's more minimally invasive is that there can be a reoccurrence of of the leakage between any of the SEALs whether here or here or in between the the joints between the components or Also there is collateral vessel possibility for these so it's very hard to know if you've maintained a seal over time of the current method for follow up on these patients who receive this repair is to do continuous follow up. C.T.'s that upon tracks tomography exams where the lead passes are looked for using Doc. Now this procedure has issues and that at some of the patients being exposed to high doses of radiation continuously for the remainder her life others contacts Casas toxicity on the kidneys as well. Also accuracy and ultimately the doctors looking at leat pass as opposed to pressure and the existence of elite does not necessarily mean that there's a problem in terms of pressure. And then there's the cost of the exam as well as the inconvenience to the patient so we saw a wireless sensor in place outside of the bank routing is a good way to monitor the pressure in the graft after repair and potentially allow you to not have to do the C.T. follow ups. The company was founded in two thousand and one so you've been at this for a while and one of the co-founders is Dr Allan from Georgia to. The concept originally started with a project for DARPA which was a passive wireless sensor much like the current one that went into the combustion chamber of a jet engine and measured the pressure inside the hostile environment eliminating the need for a direct wired connection from outside the combustion chamber to inside and improve the reliability that of measuring that pressure from this project which is a joint project between Georgia Tech and MIT and then made its way into of medical arena through cardiograms and the core IP was license from those two universities. So the presentation I'm giving here is the end result of the work of many people sixty five employees of the company as I mentioned earlier the first product which is the area in or is in sensor has been cleared for use and over seven thousand have been sold and implemented the US and then we're currently focus on the heart failure sensor which we have for which we have implanted five hundred fifty patients in the U.S. as well as over six hundred worldwide and our company to date is the only permanently implant a wireless sensor which has been approved for years. So let's talk about the fundamental philosophy and concept for the technology on the left you see a typical medical device a cardiac resynchronize ation pacemaker. And if it later has multiple leads which are fed into different areas within the heart and has many connections many components and recent news has shown that the there are quite a few reliability issues with these devices and over time. There can be fatigue issues as well as problems that require the removal and also these devices are powered using using a battery which eventually will wear out and so that means that the they can get. And it will need to be replaced at the very least. So as a cardiologist the other co-founder Dr J. out of who had experienced all these issues wanted to come up with something that was simple elegant and reliable that would could be implanted and never have these sort of issues and could be used for diagnostic information but he also knew that if it's a diagnostic purpose from an implant there would be a very low tolerance for any sort of safety risk associated with the device. So the approach we took with the R. and D. effort. I think is one of the main reasons for our successful development today the sensor obviously needed to be developed using a man's approach and that was a unique feature but then there were other large challenges on the biomedical side that's our team and then also the R.F. the hardware and software external system and then these each of these areas had overlapping requirements which for which we had to work together very very closely to accomplish all those meet all those those challenges. So the basic concept for the function the sensor involved in L C resident circuit. Like I said earlier there is no internal power supply and the capacitor part of the circuit is a pressure sensitive. So the pressure outside changes the distance between the plates changes as a function of the pressure change and therefore that also the resonant frequency shifts as a function of pressure changes. This is analogous to a tuning fork where the the the tune of the pitch of the of the ringing is a function of the size and shape the geometry of the of or the tuning fork in the same sort of way the sensor is excited by an external energy impulse and then the external transmitter turns off and listens for a response from the sensor and the particular frequency of the response is correlated to the pressure. In that location. The concept is not too new for medical applications it's been around for a while this this paper from one nine hundred sixty seven is one of the first examples where devices similar to ours were implanted inside the hide to measure and draw killer pressure but at the time in that paper the authors noted that significant challenges still exist and existed in need of further development and some of these challenges is as we've come to learn are issues such as long term stability after the device has been a planet significant innovation had to be done by a by party managed to tackle that issue detection distance being able to achieve a large enough detection range with a small enough size sensor was also a very big challenge the ability to miniaturize the pressure sensitive aspect of the device especially for minimally invasive implant required man's expertise as well as on coming up with a way that we could practically make it also required some of the innovations in the area of madness. So let's talk a little bit about the the fundamental operation of the sensor this slide comes from our first employee Dr Michael fine Segador of attack who worked in Dr Allen's group. He put these together as part of his Ph D. work and as we all work on this we realize that there are a lot of different capacitance is involved in the sensor and. One of the biggest ones that we did we had to work with is the one from the xterm environment so once the sensor is implanted into the body the dielectric media of the surrounding environment changes from air to blood which is a major change in dielectric So you need to somehow account for that to not have too much of a shift in the resonant frequency of the center as a result of that change. Used approaches such as insulation as well as limiting the electromagnetic field which extends outward into the media so that this effect is minimized. Also there is the parallel paths through the substrate which are very important especially as it relates to the quality factor of the circuit in order for the sensor to work as opinion Listen sort of advice it has to have a high enough quality factor so it's passive running is long enough to be able to detect by the external system. So the quality factor typically needs to be high enough and not affected by the surrounding media or the substrate which limits your options in terms of material selection. So as you can see there are very many many parameters that needed to be optimized in order to get the correct frequency as well as the quality factors in the right sort of range. The of course the sensitivity the sensors the pattern on the memory of the width of the membrane as well as the material type but also this pressure inside of the air cavity is a critical parameter in order for the membrane to consistently deflect the right amount as a function of pressure. You need to have a consistent reference pressure inside this this means that there cannot be a leak rate between the inside and the outside such that the inside pressure will change over time so that means in translation that the package must be her magic. And hermetic to a level that you don't have minuscule changes of the flexion as a function of the loss of molecules from the inside to the outside. So at the end of the development effort. We the result were two main platforms for source sensors the one on the top is one that uses purely memes sort of processing techniques the inductor coil is a player a spiral which is played with copper and the two court two opposing coils. Spaced apart by a very small gap giving the capacitance so it's really two coils separated by the gap and that the hub changes as a function of pressure. We like this this design the most is in terms of ability to manufacture and reliability It doesn't have any connections at all. However. When you have a planar spiral coil the total size of the device is larger than if you have a are three dimensional dimensional quality. So eventually for the heart failure application which requires another level of miniature ization. The result was the same concept however with a three dimensional coil and as I mentioned earlier both are hermetically sealed with the Hermetic sort of package. No internal power supply. They both example exhibit stable performance over long time frames of course they're both compatible and have batch fabrication capability. So what makes this a nano device. I needed to include the slide in order to be able to present today. But the gap between the capacitor is the starting position is only one micron and this is important in order to minimize the amount of total deflection and of the membrane as well as we want to have the stiffness of the membrane behind off such that anything that grows on top of the membrane such as the tissue response from from the body is is not significant to the overall stiffness of the membrane and the amount of deflection. So in terms of its sensitivity. We we then have on the order of one nano meter per millimeter of mercury change once once the device is completed. So it's sensitive down to an animator level across the way for their very tight process controls in order to achieve a consistent in yield and that we control the height of the electrodes down to twelve near meters as well as the trenches that they're plated with then are controlled within one hundred nanometers another point. About the materials used for the substrate is that they must be incredibly dimensionally stable over time because as I said earlier the sensitivity is a function of the animators changes and deflection so the material itself can change on that order over a period of time and our specification first ability over time is two millimeters per year so that says that the dimensional stability has to be within two nanometers per year. So this slide we showed earlier is just to remind us of the operation of the device as we get into talking about the external measurement system. We've got so on the top you see the profile of the external measurement system transmit poles. To microsecond burst is transmitted at about one watt power level and then it has to be shut off almost instantaneously in order to then be able to detect a very small signal from from the sensor which dies down fairly quickly to have the next light how quickly it is but it's very quick and then it is sample somewhere around this point in time to be able to determine what is the the resonant frequency of the sounds are and the the two the external antenna and the internal sensor are loosely coupled magnetic transformer. So here are some of the numbers on the external measurement system to convey some of the complexity of how that operates the sensor signal completely decays within two microseconds. And as an order of magnitude the transmit power is point nine watts. But the receive power is only one hundred people Watts. So some of these features of the externals measurement system would not have been possible no matter how good the innovation was a decade or two ago some of some of the capabilities that exist today are a lot due to the innovation. As the area of the cell phone industry and other ships outside exist as a result of those so in order to get adequate power from the sensor the signal must be sampled within thirty five nanoseconds of the transmitter burst otherwise the sensors say holistic aid to a point where it's not detectable. And then the sensors signal a sample rate a hundred kilo herds in order to be able to average over time and get the most accurate result. So now I'm going to show the implant procedure animation and how the product is used. So the sheet is introduced in the family vein as one dance blue catheter which is the typical catheter used for right heart catheterization procedure to measure pressure in the home area artery in the invasive manner is used to advance into the home an artery. So what we show here is the Senate is this one dance balloon advancing with blood flow through the I.V. see up into the left home enter a branch and then this balloon will stop at a certain point where the vessel diameter is equal to the dime or balloon and pressure can be measured through this catheter. So this procedure is very common even residents will learn how to do it so it was important to find something that was and he procedure that everyone can do as a starting point for implant many to start over with us. So once it's on Dan's balloon is in position a guide. Wire is advanced through it and this one dance catheter is removed leaving the guide work place once a guy wires in place a catheter with the center loaded on top of it is in advance and. Position and wires pole to release the sensor loops on the sensor prevent it from going further than the desired location and blood flow helps to lodge a position then the patient can lie on a pillow to measure the sensor and the patient does this on a daily basis. Typically and then the data and summary numbers are transmitted to a website which the health care providers can look at any time. So you get a trench art which looks a lot like a stock market chart and their goal is to have the the pressures over time remain in the target range and if they aren't then the health care providers can think about what to do differently to operate the back to the ranch. So let's talk about why did we choose to place the sensor in the home an artery. There are there other places we could have done a place that such as in the left atrium the left atrium would be the best choice as far as measuring the thing that we care about which is the preload on the left and trickle. However in the left atrium to in order to access it. You have to cross the the angel septum from the Venus side and the more risky and difficult procedure as well as you're leaving a hole in the in the septum that the knees are heal. In addition any devices placed on the arterial side has the risk inherent risk that it could dislodge and belies to the brain on top of that the big concern is that any device might have some sort of thrombus sort of growth over it which thing could become dislodged that could also then go to the brain. So there's just a whole list of risks and concerns associated with placement in a left atrium the other the other location which is the pulmonary artery the pressure to transit particularly the diastolic pressure in the pulmonary artery changes mostly as a function of the left atrium. So it's possible to look for the same sort of information from the P.A. pressure and so based on all those factors we chose to the place. It in the palm of Ari and also because of the blood flow carrying the sensor in any any object into the lawn. You don't have the the migration rays that have on the arterial side. So as far as the implant procedure the particular target location is typically the left lower lobe of the of the lung and we like to place it here. Also because it's within four inches of the back which ensures that we're going to get a strong signal as we acquire the sensor from the at the back of the patient and then we place the sensor another vessel which is between seven and fifty millimeters in diameter and this ensures that there is sufficient flow around the sensor once the center has been positioned. Finally the centers of aligned with the long axis of the body so that no matter how the center is oriented within the vassal the the extra magic that system can couple to it. The open area of the coil or the delivery system which is what our team worked on primarily is an over the wire delivery catheter which is a standard type of catheter he used to deliver stance or to inflate obstructions with a balloon which has been modified to to hold the sensor The There are three lumens one is for the guide wire the two sided Lumens are for the tether wires which extend from this cap all the way through the shaft and coming out of not just on the side of the shaft the threads through loops and over the sensor retaining the sensor until it's released by when we tell the wires the catheter is loaded in a hoop like this and sterilized and then is ready for here. So this is what the cath in the center looks like once it's in visitation ready for deployment after deployment. Here is an angiogram performed with the sensor in place you can see plenty of blood flow around the sides or. And over time. This is this is a history the thousand G. done on animal study. You can see there is a the response from the wall is a is primarily in the theory all coded which is what we want to see in that we want to show that hope after a while the center becomes invisible to the blood flow in terms of surface from biscuit here to there. So let's talk a little bit about the particulars of the data. This is actually an example patient from the study that has been the identified is pretty typical with these patients when they come in for the implant that they're home an artery pressures are fairly elevated and so prior to the implant the the pressure the doctors might have thought that they were optimally managed based on the other symptoms but as soon after the fact they see that they're elevated and then are able to act with some change in medication so that you see here the first change resulted in the desired response but then something else cause it to go back up. So then there was another change and since then the pressures have lowered and remained stable in the target range over time and one of the common problems with just managing based on symptoms is that the doctors are hesitant to do these sort of increases without more information because there can be harmful side effects. If you overdo it such as a kidney failure and other things. So once they know the pressures are elevated They know that it's warranted to increase the medication levels and then you can see this patient has now been hospitalized since that time so far the pressure away form information we did a very high quality way form in that there is no artifact we're measuring the pressure right directly at the site there is no transmission artifact from the side of the measurement. Such as you would get through an invasive catheter measurement and from that we were able to extract other information because we can determine accurately things like the opening and closing of the monitor valve and from that we can use stablished methods as to make cardiac output which is another very important grammar and then once you have estimated a cardiac output based on the pressure way for you can also calculate the estimated total momentary resistance. So these top trends are added based on calculations and this bottom areas that actually the measured pressure over time for an it an example patient this patient is a particularly interesting example because this patient was moving on to class four type stage heart failure more severe and this was already known the patient was on the transplant list and eventually received a heart transplant at this point in time with with these hospitals ation events occurring. Prior to that as you can see also is in terms of the pressure trend there is an increasing pressure trend that could not be addressed by medication also normal your cardiac output again is an estimated parameter but this makes sense. What's happening here. Normally cardiac output remains stable as a function of the heart's response to the needs of the body but when the heart is failing till the point where it cannot do that you can see here there is a steady decrease and that's to made a cardiac output over a period of one hundred days. Meanwhile there is also a major increase in the resistance to flow through the lungs as a function of the increase congestion. We believe so. Then after the heart transplant was performed you see a gradual decrease in the pressure trend. It's interesting to me that it doesn't happen instantaneously. You see here one hundred fifty date sort of timeframe after the new heart is received for the pressures to normalize the same way a Likewise with the cardiac output in the resistance trance. But then after that period time. And you see you stable pressure trans as well as stabilization of the other parameters. So if we have time I'd like to go through the clinical study structure and the results to we have time to talk about that. OK All right. So today we're very excited about having reached this milestone we finished all the enrollment in our our clinical study in the last patients follow up is now completed. We're at this stage of compiling the data for our failure study the I wanted to include this summary because it's another key thing to imagine in terms of the development of a concept to commercial use when something such as an implant is being developed which is a totally new concept such as this. There are strict requirements and there's a high bar for proving that it works so conceptually it seems like it should work but we need to prove it through a randomized study in order to prove what we're trying to prove which is a reduction in the hospitalization rate we had a large sample size which included five hundred fifty patients and we did it over seventy five different sites in the U.S. and with the expectations of what the hospitalization rates would be ahead of time we were able to determine that we should be able to achieve a ninety percent statistical power with this sort of structure for the study and then again the primary endpoint we've already talked about other things that we're looking at is the ability to change the moment or are the pressure as a function of the the knowledge of the the information and result in medication changes a portion of the subjects hospitalized and then the number of days alive outside of hospital and then also the quality of life improvement as a function of improved medication was also evaluated separately also we wanted to evaluate the the effect on the total cost of care. Because that's that's another thing that's going to be a compelling argument for this device if we can show that there is a reduction in hospitalization it's clear that we can also show that there's a reduction in cost in health care. So we're hoping to complete our P.M.A. process either at the end of the year or early next year and we have a panel review ever hoping to do at the end of this year. So some of the other facts about the trial to mention. Their regional clinical implant the first clinical implant was back in two thousand and five the last one was in two thousand and nine and we implanted over six hundred six hundred two worldwide. The average time frame for having the sensor was three and sixty five days with a maximum of over four years. I think this is the implant procedure is important for this to be a simple easy and problem free as I mentioned earlier and we did demonstrate that the average time or typical time frame plan was thirty. Excuse me the whole procedure was thirty minutes the implant of the sensor itself was only seven minutes typically. And then ninety nine percent technical success with the implant procedure ninety four percent technical compliance with the patients taking readings and then we're planning to present the results fairly shortly. There will at least be a presentation about the trial at this meeting on May thirty first very soon. We don't know yet if the result will be ready present at that point but they will be ready shortly. The key thing to mention though which we know already today is that there were no on interest paid to that first device events related to the system throughout the whole study. So that's an impressive statistic already that we can cite. So with that I would like to talk about the conclusions or my conclusions from the effort today. Some of the things that have driven the success aside from the technical innovations have been that the technology efforts. Driven along by a real and that clinical need. We didn't just choose to use memes because it was a cool way to do it. We we did it because there was really not another good way to do it and there was a solution that was uniquely provided by man's capabilities all on the way we've maintained this design philosophy that focuses on reliability and safety and it's worked so far and then this multidisciplinary R. and B. approach I think has been it seems like common sense but it's been something that if we hadn't done it that way. I don't think we would have succeeded. So with that I'd like to call can can up here and we can we can do a demonstration after which will answer questions we have of years. Astley mile here and what we're looking at now is the point in the procedure where the guide wire has been reduced by way of a slime dance Hatter. And it is introduced through being as she had more of a access point and wires cracking through if you're against it. Well you're right. Better call on Mary already has a laugh on our every implacable patient. So just a second look at this. I'm serious about it all happened as we said earlier this answer is rather happier perhaps using a wire that there is enough isn't over the loose end of the sensor releases or for my own the capital sort of the second one I think I was in place then he added if you would over watch. This part of the process is very common for a half dozen years right here in the states that are presented here for this and now the senator is introduced to the seat allergies. She function is the arena for the leaders from the asshole to the outside hand maintains he stays to see her house steps or comes out there in the street at this point you just have to use the ball on horoscope as a hood and through the U.C. Davis through our good. All right. I don't know you say there you are just like all right so are you worried you'll see it right we're going to advance a past the place where we normally where are we with the boy in this location priceless and no mayor in or OK show us a better chance outside now to avoid it. Let's recap all the wires which allows us to Bill Lloyd out of the loose maintain its position prevent you from going for just a little of what I was doing the Floyd is in our location within the patient's own area and they've been lying down to deal with things the camera and the sensors and the Master so various that we have here we have a sensor in a jar which can be pressurized using all. You mean that this is what you mean this use you get to this now actually. So this is the xterm system which we were showing today and for our first demo purposes we have our newest thing which is a wireless connection between the time the the external system and because of battery power I think is the reason for the issue also that if then you could also just use another external measurement system let's say there was some problem with the system itself. I did. You could use another one like this it would also it. The center itself has ultra reliable track record. So we haven't have or had an instance where the sensor itself has stopped working. If something like this occurs with their external measurement system. You could replace it with a fix or something else you were there wouldn't be in there hasn't been a situation where you need to put one out of one or remove the one that's already there who will work legally. What was the one. Yeah there's a whole there's a line. Yes it was randomized there's a whole list of inclusion next clue the criteria primary one for inclusion then they have class three heart failure as determined by primary care are for other or. Ologist And then there are exclusionary criteria such as they could not have a primary phone or hypertension which was irreversible by medication so they had to have heart failure which was the type that was reversible to some extent by treatment with medication and then the groups were randomized fifty fifty and two control control groups in the study groups in the study group the the information from the pressure sensor was available to the health care providers in the code control group it was not so good to use today. It was a randomized though selection process so. So each and every sensor received there existed be every patient receive the sensor and then after that there is a transition process which to determine whether they were the treatment group or the control group. So all of these activists. These are all the patients that own their own people and now. Now all patients have class three hard to read exactly these patients yet and so they control patients were managed per the standard of care for heart failure and there are established requirements for that as well including also the effect of a phone call to the patient which would occur as a result of pressure measurements. There was some established evidence that increased communication with these patients actually helped them do better. So we had to call the control group an equal number of times to tell anybody just patients. If it was well that they were at a point where they'd already are also shown a track record of more than three or at least one hundred schools ation I believe within the last six months. There were some criteria like that. Were they had to have shown a track record of hospitalizations due to their heart failure symptoms. So there was a probable benefit assuming the technology works and that. If you could reduce the rate of occurrence of out then they could possibly not have as many heart failure hospitalization future cases of medication. Just to see if this is a dangerous. This is you know no it's not. I mean we have to convince before even starting the study the F.D.A. and the other physicians involved that there was a great safety track record based on better studies pretty want to collapse studies on animals and eventually initial human work which of all those small subset not not these five hundred fifty initially we did a study with one of the patients where we established safety and the measurement function sensor hello to the device rest understand what the patients were suffering. You may get a little randomized control. All right well and that information would not normally be available anyway without the center so then the sanction that knowing the the information will help is actually the purpose of the study so that does not prove that. So we're doing the study in order to demonstrate that knowing information helps improve management. So once we determine that. Then the right solution for anything is just this is the use of life is very OK in the site. OK this is better than mine. It's very special to you. So I can't really respond to that but I think you will need to send happened this and that more time with this a few more questions there. That's an interesting question. I don't know whether those patients are listed in the exclusion criteria so far but you know the device has a very smooth coating of silicone it's actually smoother than the typical coating for other devices like a pacemaker lead in that it's dipped coated and we've shown a great response in terms of tissue over growth so within the period of one month or last we did have the center totally covered by a tissue and there was a point there and this is this is equivalent to the other vessel lining in terms of the interface but I can't say for sure what the issues Pacific effect would be on sickle cell phone Asians. But I would suspect that it would be a different matter and so it's coated in a dip coating of silicone which creates a surface kind of like a drop of water in terms of its smoothness so that the silicone itself the conforms by by surface tension to the other one when it's on here to the the object and then we care. It makes it kind of like a little sort of bubble shape around the sensor so that helps. Actually the glass itself with a few silica might also give a nice response to if we didn't put it on that is what he meant. And I'm sorry say that what we also saw the resident frequency itself varies as a function of the pressure change outside of the sensor. So as the pressure changes the men. Brain which contains the capacitor distance changes and then that part of the resonant frequency shifts as a function of pressure on you. I see what you mean so so there is an increase in pressure which is associated with congestion which is because the left side primarily of the heart is not pumping efficiently so there is a back up like a large amount of blood is coming back from the lungs to the left side the heart is not ejaculating blood it fast enough already. And so there is this back up of pressure which then backs up to the lines at least a few of the fluid accumulation which then leads to sort of a surprise exacerbating the whole issue which already exists within the right side of the heart is having to pump with an increased workload against this elevated pressure in the laws so the whole heart is working harder as a result of the ineffectiveness of the left ventricle to sustain the output. If you think we need it so well the sensor itself is passive So it's the membrane is deflecting as a function of the pressure all the time. Only when the external measurement system activates or energize a circuit then will there be a ring down response in the electro. In the R.F. domain not mechanical and that is detected by the external measurement system and the particular frequency at which the resonance occurs is that related to a pressure not a channel or. Right right right. The way to power. It was and if you like that. OK Well the hold it has been done both with copper in the gold. Well that's a good question. There with the goal is that you should never have to do that and we've so far demonstrated that that is not necessary and we've done long term studies to show that the drift rate is low enough that you should not have to recalibrate and that's that's the this requirement that I mentioned earlier that is that the drift rate requirement is less than two millimeters per year. So by that we mean the mean pressure at a static pressure as measured by the sensor does not deviate from the real value by more than two millimeters per year our life. You mean for other technology itself was lifespan what we had at the lifespan is indefinite essentially due to the fact that it doesn't have an internal power supply our stated requirement is that it must meet performance requirements for a ten year period. So we've tested to that level but there's really no reason to imagine that it would stop working at a time maybe at some really long time frame. You might want to recalibrate it let's say the drift actually were two millimeters per year. If it's been twenty years maybe there would be off by forty but that's all theoretical but you can be calibrated if you want to buy another task of procedure but that's not desirable. Well you know it's a good question that there has not been and then that comes up all the time because with other devices such as pacemakers there are situations where you do need to remove the lead such as infection arc or the pace of the lead fails or something like that so far there hasn't been any need to do that because there are some important differences between this implant and others like pacemakers or heart valves primarily because it's catheter delivered like a stent it's possible to maintain a very high levels to realty versus other procedures where you're having to do some surgical staff where you can possibly create a source for infection back in then we need to the heart. So the infection risk is much lower as a function of how we're doing it and we have not seen any infections yet. Whereas in the same group if you had done pacemakers you would have by this point in time then also because there is no finite battery life there really isn't a reason to take it out at any point and also with the reliability levels we've demonstrated that should not fail if it were to fail I imagine the conclusion would be not to try to take it out. Leave it in place and either put in another or don't do anything but if it's if it's better not to implant a second one. But there really has not been a need to do that and we we imagine that there shouldn't be a need there. Yes to some extent you know excuse me. It does not affect the vast number. Yes sir we can pass around some samples for you to look at the effect of the orientation is on the signal strength with the coupling. The ideal copper wiring is going to be when the oil open area is facing. But you know the antenna. When it's this way you get the worst case and the coupling is diminished. However the value that is interpreted it is not affected by that. So that's an important thing is you don't you don't want the value measured to be affected by the orientation and. Yes yes it is a that's a good question and I believe you're talking I have this right. Interacting vascular ultrasound those techniques are typically used it's an additional staff an additional expense and Normally those that approach is used when you want to understand better the three dimensional shape of something like a lesion which cannot be appreciated sufficiently well by a two dimensional for a scope image in this case we're implant in that is typically the uplift of all and coronary arteries or peripheral artery disease word. You're trying to optimize the choice of stand placement of the standard of living. That's a most common use of that type of technology when the information you get from the two D. image is insufficient. However in this case we're normally putting the sensor in a relatively healthy vassals that they don't have a prior disease state and also due to the design of the loops it's NOT be especially critical where along the length of the vessel you place the sensor. If you were to place it more proximal then the ideal location the blood flow will carry it to the point where the loops will eventually law. So that's actually one of the features of the loops that we we wanted to up have because we didn't want there to be a real high criticality with the placement with a stent for instance you need to precisely place it because of the specific size for the stand relative to the vessel you don't want to oversize or undersize it here. The loops are able to tolerate a pretty wide range of diameter. So in practice we use imaging that was performed through this one man's catheter before the device was introduced and from that image. We're able to save it and look at the size of us all and have it next to the live image on a separate screen of the catheter in the sensor being introduced. Then we can align the sensor position with the previous image and know that we're in the right position and then release the sensor. But there are a lot of techniques to get more in-depth in more detail such as that which they could do but they don't choose to because it's not necessary. Every time. So so the external measurement system transmits at around point nine watts of power. So then the power that is coupled into the sensor varies as a function of the distance so as you bring the sensor farther away the power of this coupled. And then this received back was reduced and at some point the power returned is not sufficient to be able to measure the signal. So we had to develop the sensor in the external system such that the the power received from the sensor at the distance that it needs to be implanted was sufficient. And typically you can receive more energy from the sensor the larger it gets so there's a tradeoff there where you want to make the sensor as small as possible. Yet you also want to be detectable at the given distance so it's all a function of the size of the inductor coil. So the larger that it is the more the more power can be captured by the sensor. So I think I said in the presentation that the return power from the sensor typically is very small What was it you can remember now but it's on it's a billionth of a watt sort of order of magnitude. So that's kind of a major technical feat for the external systems able to measure that or detect that we're there you can actually hear that is this and it is actually in the past year or so. So the sensors are made from a few silica away first and then there are medically sealed as they're diced so and then over that we encapsulate with with silicone I think that helps with the you know dimension of any faction Australia. Yes that is the pieces within the extra measurement system hearing. Yeah yeah there is this is the area that I know the least about but there is a coherent detection method where based on the timing of the transmit poles by phase the external measurement system is able to distinguish the signal from the senator. Apart from other R.F. noise as well as we're operating in a range that should not have as much competing sort of R.F. noise artifact. And then also we can do filtering on a signal to look for. Physiological relevant information as opposed to other spurious sort of Russian girl who starts out here. OK we operate within the range of thirty to thirty seven point five megahertz So I mean we were part of a special provable from the F. sixteen or if you doubt yourself. Well so the idea is that you never have to remove it. So it's more like a stand in that situation if you connect in that sense it's deployed once and then still remains for the life of the page you are going back. 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