Please let me give a warm welcome to Kylie Kirk and Susan Reed. Thank you. I'm Susan Reed and I'm here to tell you just a little bit about what we do. In relationship to connecting social change to innovation strategy. So we in essence identify the future we get companies and organizations and we connect them. That's a simple way of thinking about it and we really do. There are three fundamental pieces that are very important to that for us and number one is insightful analytics not tons of data but insightful information. Number two or advanced creative problem solving capabilities very important and number three are well integrated teams the way that we approach approach team building is by putting together teams based on the way they think together as a team. This goes back to some of the thinking patterns that were mentioned earlier. So what does that have to do with changing the world so to speak or having an impact on that. Well. And then you guys are exceedingly intelligence I'm going to put it to you like this. Once upon a time there were three little pigs. And they were attending Unfortunately their father's funeral very sad but their father was very rich and he left them equally. All three pigs he left them equally with a part of his business his business was a watch manufacturing business. And he said to them. The last in the will that was written up it said I want you to do I want you to share your goodwill and fortune and I want you to give something back to the world that really care how you do it. So the three pigs left and here's what they did the first pig knew exactly what they wanted to do what he wanted to do. He went out sold out just like that. And he took the money and put it into the organization that he felt he was mostly connected to it was something about maybe something about no no more hay for houses or something like that but he worked there for the rest of his life. And that was what Big Number one did pick number two decided to follow in his in his father's footsteps. He did the same thing as father had done but he allocated ten percent of everything he did to social change and improvement in the world and so that's what he did and pick number three decided he wanted to continue to grow and transform his father's business. So he actually got to watch. He added a sensor to it that would detect the wolves the pigs that needed protection that could afford it they all bought it. They got through their watches away and they bought new watches. OK because it did more things but it also did something else for the pigs who could not afford a watch. They got together in villages and they were able to mount this thing. And put it in a village and actually satisfy fifty different pigs where they would have access to this watch. So what happened is the business continued to grow but they also served a population that could buy one watch and they could serve hundreds of different pigs. So if you look at these pieces. All of these pieces have heart in them hearts very important. The first pig was a heart. The second pig said I'm going to continue business and I'm going to contribute to heart the third pig said I'm going to use heart to grow my business. Number three is the way that we believe that's the way that we connect or edge about a connects to the social piece. OK So that's an and easy way I think to talk about. Well it's very different models. Yes Thirty years is a long time. My son told me. He mentioned all the different music I lived there which I thought was pretty interesting but basically the important thing is that working with start ups to Fortune fifty companies all different industries I think we cover over twenty five industries and I think that many industries left and over one hundred different products and services. Here's the fundamental pieces that I think are very important. Number one as I began my career working on brand position and message strategy that is one way to grow a business. We have been evolved into new product development. We then begin to work at the portfolio level. A mix of products and services for an organization when does that need to change and shift if you have a very mature product and service portfolio which about seventy five percent of companies in the U.S. do have the need to think about industry reinvention. And by the way if you're going to think about industry invention you need advanced creative problem solving capabilities in order to be able to create disruptive ideas and if you need a lot of that kind of thing you need to be able to replicate that at the individual level and at the team level. So all of those pieces put together equals innovation practice the kind of innovation practice that we've put together and that is my. That's my life. That's what I've set my life doing but my passion is in taking these pieces and applying them so that they can create social change in the world and it's really a lot easier than you may think there are some brands that you'll see it here that were green brands we did a ton of work starting back in the eighty's that far back in the environmental arena and I worked with Ray Anderson his team for over a period of ten years. How many of you know Ray Anderson I know of him. Is a Georgia Tech grad with honors he actually passed away in two thousand and eleven an amazing human being. We're going to talk a little bit about some of the work there. But anyway it's a lot easier than you think to do and I want to talk to you about that. If I were summarizing how all these pieces come together. Then I would say it's really a simple matter of understanding when you use left brain techniques which are the analytical piece Wendy's right brain techniques advance creativity. And how do you make sure that social exploration a curse is sort of that simple. Now I'm not going to go over this chart with you but I just want you to notice. I want you to notice the orange on the chart because the chart shows the different steps of our innovation practice the questions that answer the different things that you go through the are and highlights the special pieces that are unique to make sure that social exploration a curse. OK So we actually have this available if you want to look at it there's less Georgia Tech. If you want to go there and download any of these models to have a closer look. You may be able to use some of them to help determine an organization that you're working with to help identify an organization you want to work with except for a so that's why we have this for you if you want to download some of these. So very easy to make these things work and to tailor it to make sure the social exploration occurs. As we all know business models today are aggregating in really four different ways. Here we have low social integration to high and then we have low innovation to high innovation and these are four different models let me just briefly talk about these. Because there is a difference. On the upper corner we have the idealistic the top left. Those are where many many nonprofits reside. A lot of nonprofits today are not using innovation in the way that they need to and so they need to move that to advance their cause and the lower left you have what we call the industrious company. Now these are the companies are a lot of companies particularly in the U.S. And this area because all a lot of these companies. Have mature and declining product portfolios which means they have a lot of things that are mature. So they are spending a lot of time doing a lot of work to create a fission seize in their organization to enable capacity in the organization and to basically manage bottom line the companies on the right. They're skewing more innovative of course are the innovators those we hear most about Apple Google maybe Samsung and then there's the right. There's the what right quadrant which we're referring to is I three. These are the companies that do both. This is the spot that we believe has the highest growth opportunities for many reasons one of which is that companies really haven't really thought about tapping into social change as a growth strategy and when you look at ideas it is amazing how sometimes those numbers just really work together. These are companies like. Company for me with Reza Beth Moss Cantors work super Corp. A few of you. That's a good book. It's a good book she identifies I.B.M. she puts I.B.M. in this particular quadrant another company we would put there would be. The Agricultural Bank of China. They begin to they're the financial institution that begin to offer financial loans micro loans to peasants hugely successful satisfy the business needs satisfied unmet social need they can now invest in crops and feed themselves is an example. So we're going to talk about two companies today oneness and her face and one is Conny Kirk and her organization noticed works that fit in there who have worked hard and committed to this and made it happen. OK. Now. Just a quick thing about this model this is one of those highlighted areas that we talked about that where you can actually help skew to help address things in a social social change form when you're talking about growth. And these are the stages. Of social commitment there are seven stages that we've identified this is very interesting to use this to be able to identify where an organization is and where they may travel very helpful. So on the left side it's capital there is absolutely no involvement at all in social change at the very next step is Crito I guess I could point but you guys can see that right. Credo is where they have it in the mission statement that's it manifest no other place but mission statement and then it goes on down the line. It goes into cause ad hoc cause commitment and then it goes to commitment. It's a condition of success it gets into the success metrics of an organization. And finally it moves down to core which would be pick number three it was core strategy for pick number three and then it moves into once you do that a lot you become a global change agent. Now we did some work. With a class I believe it was Professor Cowan's class. I just see I see Dr Thomas there. And this is what we gave them and this is how fast this can work it's very easy to begin to use and to test. We gave the class fifteen minutes we gave them a couple of innovation frameworks and we said create some ideas we said number one health care monitoring is a big growth trend of the future we're all going to have to diagnose ourselves and it's going to have to replace as expensive equipment right. So we gave them that say play with time X. with these with this piece and then make it spring off something that creates social change fifteen minutes. Here's where they came up with number one the first group came up with we're going to recycle the watches and we're going to extract the metal ever going to sell the metal and we're going to take the money from the metal and we're going to donate it to a cause. OK So that would fit under the commitment phase here's something that we're going to do no matter what. OK group number two. Well what we're going to do is we're going to take all the batteries. Back we're going to work with the batteries and create self-propelled power generating power generators for impoverished communities and we're just going to contribute them back. We are going to it's not going to be a business strategy going to contribute back we're going to always do it. We're going to commit to it. We're going to measure our success as a company by how many of these we get out every year to impoverished communities and group number three did something very similar to peg number three and what they did was they created they identified three different health monitoring. Diseases that this would detect on your on your arm which surpassed heart monitoring if it can detect other things and the same kind of philosophy in that people would exchange now this watch because it becomes more of a health and wellness watch. And also they use this to distribute to villages and communities of where they can't afford any sort of health care monitoring at all and they can sell one to a village for fifty nine dollars and they can service literally hundreds and hundreds of people. So again that is at the growth strategy phase. It's not that hard to do in fifteen minutes there are three different things to choose from. Now you have to go in to see if they're valid or not. But it's actually very easy to do so that's an example. Let's go and have a look at interface. Interface is in the carpet tile business today before they were in the quote unquote interiors business they did a lot of things but the commitment that Ray Anderson and team made was pretty pretty pretty extreme pretty remarkable. And here's what they looked like the first twenty one years of business. They were an ordinary industrious sort of capitalist a company with no commitment to social change in one nine hundred ninety four. Ray Anderson read and then was exposed to Paul Hawken of who wrote the book The Ecology of Commerce how many of you know that book and Paul. Yeah OK OK. It changed his life. And I mean changed his life in a big way. He didn't talk about it. He came out and that year he created a dream. It was some of the most amazing people on earth that he put on this team. Paul Hawken was one of them. Joining business. Janine Ben Yes Do you know her of biomimicry she was another and it went on and on rocky about Institute people it was amazing time to work with interface and then they went they were first to market with the sustainability vision. Long story short is that they then began to move into the area of condition. Everything that they did they were series of metrics of when they were going to completely run their organization and a full look closed loop cycle. And what happened as a result of the growth is that they in two thousand and two which is the time when we began to really begin to put innovation with the sustainability stuff and align it it also that so that worked better. They were able to in five years increase their revenues by two hundred ten percent their share at the time of the beginning of this was declining we actually turned it around a group of fifty five percent. Interface very quickly became one of the top one hundred Places to Work and a global global change and I'll just show you one piece as an example. This model can go much much deeper. And here's two different metrics for you to look at for four interface and one of the bottom. It looks at the customer impact. And you go all the way from zero to partnerships Well interface went beyond that they literally introduced the concept of sustainability to organizations like Wal-Mart they were the first course that Wal-Mart ever took and learning how they had done these actual practices so they were their impact has been global not just in their industry but in other industries and that's the impact of it. And investment strategy they were investing nothing to now it's in their D.N.A. everything they do is investing towards improving sustainability it is remarkable. I literally remember when shareholders would say my God we've got to stop this. We've got to stop this because the vision was here and the world was buying here. And so you have to bring it together. That's what you do in innovation and you put these two pieces together. So I'm going to let you listen to. And they were going to turn it over to Condi this is very interesting. This is a little piece of the new C.E.O. is Dan Hendricks. And this is him talking about two pieces. You mate. So some great lessons there in terms of they have tons of Georgia Tech engineers over there and they really were you know evolutionary revolutionary in introducing the concepts that you saw in the first part about innovation as liberation testing they had a whole research department just designed for testing new ways to tap into the environment and. And then the second piece in terms of credit for my little clipper. Fear is fatal brings us to the kind of courage that it takes to do this kind of work that does both give back. There's a little bit of a risk there and the does grow above average and there is no individual that I know and I've worked with. That has embraced this concept more courageously than the next person who are about to enter this which is kind of her. The C.E.O. of notice works. And it's kind of is getting her her little thing I'm going to so I'm going to just kind of plot Conny appearance so you can see in this model then I'm going to turn it over her nine hundred seventy seven up a commitment first to market in the area of disability which she's going to describe needing in seeing a mature portfolio and the need to change rather dramatically in one thousand not I mean one thousand I wrote I can do thousand and nine in three years making huge commitments investing in a new strategic business unit more than doubling their revenue base and creating increasing their mission phenomenal levels and and moving from a local organization to regional and now faced with the wonderful issue of which partners are we going to choose to take this concept nationally County. Thank you. That's quite taken my water for an introduction but the truth is that it was my job coach so. Who says. What we did. With us. And I was works. We are. All about providing. Assisting people to get to work youth and adults with disabilities all different types of disabilities as well as barriers to employment such as poverty hunger listeners. Non-violent felons undereducated. Many many people who are are in need of the signs are risks that we've been providing for many years. And I don't know whether I should or shouldn't stand here. Just walk around. I'd like to kind of punk the picture for you what we were like in two thousand and eight. You all know what happened in two thousand were probably in diapers. Then But but the unemployment right was about ten to twelve percent nationally and certainly at least in Georgia. Unemployment among people with disabilities and other barriers on it was at least double or triple and so. As everything was crumbling the government. This is lines are commercial business lines all the kind of work that we do was sliding and that's. Our business was declining in every Why. And our future looked like it was dependent on everybody else on others all the term and we were lying off employees with disabilities we were buying off our staff and way we just looked at ourselves and said way have got to do something to Korea jobs of our own there are no jobs and they are. And so we have are no strangers just social enterprise. So so we have had some successful ventures in the past and we said OK let's do it. I'm going to talk you through what we many of you live and breathe social enterprises in your courses but notice works uses the social enterprise definition of using business models and earned income home and earning income strategies to pursue our mission and to grow or mission. So we took that tried and true. Success that we had had in other social mission. Social enterprises. And so we looked at ourselves. Hyper we kind of studied ourselves and we this is what we look why I can two thousand and nine we were five and a half million dollar business and you look at the ONJ Pym and you say. The Those those are now this works business lines the grain him are the industry business climate and the sign industries and you can see that most of the china. We have been ahead of and leaders in and our industry product lines. But if you look at our picture. I think that for the laught is our growth and introduction. Products product once. And in the in the on the right hand side are the mature and declining markets that are. The product lines that we have so as we look at that in two thousand and nine. We said Cotgrave ninety two percent of our products and our services are either in mature are declining. Stages. So this was a pretty eye opening experience and certainly motivating to us and our executive chamber and our and our board of directors. So we really needed to do something drastic and it turns out that we have this idea of a what Tronics recycling brewing at the time and. And so we said hey we're nonprofit This is a for profit business. Well why not. So we have we have a client that we are when we get to a point and. We're doing this this client always got finish with whatever they were doing and our clients are trying to me and now. And she would sigh. I don't know I am this conning Well that's what our executive trying to say. And and so what we do and I am is conning why don't we. Here's our path that we took the move. We first put our facts together. And we put our our market information together. Well first I go and see if I can find a good quality consultant that can help me do this. This is my job coach. And now. And so we we put the facts and the and the market studies together and we took it to our board and Mike. Very very motivated about it as as our executive team already had but. We also have always had a culture in a valuation then and and partly because we've done some innovative things and I've worked so you kind of tend to do those successful things again. So. So what I had to it was communicate that this was a good risk worth taking. And we kind of didn't have another point if you will. So I had to engage our staff and and our leadership and get everyone on board. Actually that wasn't that hard. But because I had the right leadership and you have to put your team together and we had some core people on our leadership team that became our decision time that I'll talk about in a minute but the next thing we had to do is get the funding and. And that takes a bit of planning a bit of time but I think we did it kind of in record time. But one of the things that we have been doing for several years is when we have business success or or financial success squirrel wife some money into what we call our new venture fund and we put that together several years ago and have actually used it on two or three occasions so I had to do some convincing to you. Arm to be eyeball to dip into that several hundred thousand dollar event your fund to say this is an adventure worth talking. So next time we put together a Wakely decision. Susan was part of that but it was a cross functional time that we put together. There and we met every week every Tuesday like clockwork. And. So that's kind of the payoff. But if you really want to look at this the right. You would have this umbrella over it. And that I'm brought along would have these kind of words on it like commitment discipline stamina. Determined I should not. And many others. So there's not an umbrella but believe me that I'm Brower was fire. And all. This is a basic this whole process is a nice thing but it's it's a very sound process and it's worth it. So Susan has told you all about that that you've got to have all different kinds of people on your Chaman you really need a certain kinds of thinkers on the left. You'll find that she ninth this. We don't have frying works we just do it but she she mind it and it's just silent whitening. The critical thinkers are on the left the creative thinkers are on the right. And the blended thinkers are in the middle. You've got to have in order to do in a fashion in growth you've got to have those evolvers and disruptors the you need a mom. You need everyone but you've got to have those people. And honestly we didn't plan those people quite like that but interpretively we had them. And and I think that what we've learned is that that's. I think we've understood this now looking back that that party part and parcel of the success that we've hired. So. So then it's all about metrics. I'm all about metrics and numbers a level so we're good at turning him in that respect but when you're trying to measure your success. Yes we've made money on this and that's always the easy success indicator to boards of directors and and. And staff who are looking for is there going to be money to give me a pay increase or whatever those practical things are. But really. We had so many metrics that we we just could not even focus. We just had to focus on a few it just we couldn't do it any other way. So we. We this our triple bottom line we have social metrics of of course jobs and and and independence and and confidence and success for individuals. We also have huge economic indicators where we are reducing. Public assistance such as. Dependant some Social Security. Food stamps unemployment compensation many many public assistance programs and of course taxes paid into the system and of course the environmental impact goes without sighing. It has in measurable. Metrics that. But we are convinced that all the environmental electronics recyclers. Can climb those environmental stick. Mystics and I desire to by way have something that no one else can touch and that's the social and the economic. Metrics that we have we can produce and we are certain. That. Razan our customers come to us. Many of them is because of our metrics and because. Certainly we do it right. We have a quite facility. How has security. We have right customer service all of the things that you must have to be a good business but it's those other things that people are noticing about our social enterprise. We this is our annual statistics these are any Well metrics that for just the last year or so all of these are annual and I and there were only four categories that I want to I want to point out here in this one slide. The personal impact of the success of our social enterprise the community impact of our success. And of course the challenges and success in our organization and of course the environmental impacts so if you if you'll take a look at the top. We are we. We have our client trying to use we. I just love some many of the little tidbits that I get from them but I particularly love this quote. That one of our clients said. I like to ride a check not get a check. And and surely that has happened to three hundred and eight people who have emerged from our program as confident independent. Successful contributors to our community. By now have money to spam and yes the ability to write a check. The community impact of the success is that there are more taxes going into the system and less public assistance going out. They or their organizational impact it's really just the great short years we've had a twenty percent growth in Mission revenue where we are supporting twenty percent more mission that we than we did three years ago with just this one social enterprise. We've diversified our revenue. Always good love to spread that overhead a little bit farther. We've energized our board and our style people our side who we can do this and and we've built our skills. And our confidence and we're ready to do it again. We still have more work today on this one I have to hold them back. But the environmental statistics are just hugely significant you look at what impact we've had we we we recycle a million pounds a month twelve million pounds a year and it's equivalent to reducing one point three million pounds of hazardous waste tuck into one and two mill two thousand cars. Plus off the road and it can run the energy that we've seen by recycling instead of rebuilding is six hundred seventy seven. Howard a six hundred seventy six thousand can't even read the numbers of numbers but hunts and so look at but look at the why does the. The taxes that have been paid into it and the reductions in public assistance. These are are here. Seventy one full time permanent jobs and trying to three hundred ten people in just this social enterprise. So what's the new picture look like remember that whole picture where everything is on the right. And I was on the last ninety two percent was a mature and the climbing. Now we have forty percent. In in the. Growth in a variety of. Stages. We've doubled our revenue we have at those seventy one jobs and most for trying. Those three hundred. People. While in our nation that twenty percent. It's incredible. This this initiative has not only done this for individuals but it's revitalized some of our mature and declining part products and services that we that we have here. I am we feel like we're more and in control of our set of our own destiny. So what's next. And topped out. We are looking at a national network. Of community we're able to programs wife hours across the United States. We we're putting we're going to help put them in this recycling business with the sign mission. These people have the sign nation their communities can can have the impact that that we have and the greatest thing is going to rise. Everyone because we're go. To be able to serve their customers the federal government and not have to transport a Weist and go out for long distances more sidings more environmental impact so. Truly and if I should has been a liberal writing and Sion and I guess the fear of failure could have been vital to us because we wouldn't be where we are today. So we look. We look pretty good on paper with what's happened but I want you to see what what we really look like on a daily basis. This is yesterday's news coming up but I want that I don't have to remember this one but it was felt. So great progress from zero to two where they are today. All right let's see there's this. OK OK So we're running just a little bit long but so the bottom line is you can see what they were able to do in just three years now moving into an area for national development. This is where you can go and get content and photo if you want look at some of the models and no matter what you do. Just make sure it has some heart in it. OK And so let's open for questions now. Thank you thank you. Look at sort of some of the reworks is a for profit it's like right now or so. So not profit as well. So when said social poses point. It was like it was a for profit business but was social promotion but. Now. OK well. My question was if you had a for profit nonprofit How could they co-exist but that's not really the shoes. We're thinking about now. And now and there are a lot of good reasons to think about but one of them is that I would really like for. Our employees. Let's meet our employees with disabilities to be owners part owners. Of the company and now you can't do that nonprofit there are no honors. So I have this vision that that they're going to be. Owners and running their own companies saying can you have you ever heard of B. Corp at all. Does that sound familiar to you at all. They watch the corporation a course I know yes yeah absolutely. We don't have that capability. In Georgia. But that's working very well in other other states. OK I have a question as well which is for your talking about innovation and how there are different people that are necessary and particularly in the middle was the of golfers and the disrupters and I'm just wondering if there are those characteristics within your staff already and what do they look like or do you have to train them to be that way. How can you identify them in your organization or how did you identify them in your organization. Why you know. Intuitively we have those people on our team and I guess it's because we just intuitively like it's coming. People but because of the culture we have but I think so. And really up to us when we first were introduced to novice works. We knew that they needed the kind of innovations called a leading innovation that's high growth and in order to managed high growth initiatives. You need these kinds of players and the team that they have chosen fit this need so for us it was sort of a no brainer to get involved because they have the right leadership team in place. There are the kinds of initiatives that do not require those people who think on both sides of the brain. That there are tests. OK so the video you showed was an assembly line of electronics recycling right. Yes Yes The video showed electronics. And it was only one part of our organization. OK as a nonprofit I was curious are the workers on that's I mean one or are they paid average minimum wage or are they paid and they are paid higher than minimum wage by have full French benefits and and have a career path through out there. Their entry level jobs and their jobs are there. Jobs and science there are jobs in. There just jobs throughout. So yes there is a career for somebody you know not everybody and it's tied with this. I need to start with us and and move on if I can grow farther and want to wear with. It can you tell us a little bit about the other things that go on it. Tommy noble as I was looking at Web site there's quite a lot of things that you you do and I'm interested in reworks is there sir plus. That comes from that business that helps you find the other businesses the other business units and services that you provide. Absolutely. As I said we sorta have a lot of business lines and I don't know how many we had up your butt but wait to. We do trying and we're able to service is vocational rehabilitation services we have. About four tuning federal contracts where we staffed with people with disabilities my own room supplier aims. Such security administrative positions we do that for hut Corps of Engineers. We do all the janitorial work at Dobbins recycling. I mean Dobbins. Air Reserve Base and they're recycling they are all of their recycling except electronics the government doesn't have a protocol yet to do all of the electronics recycling that would like to to make sure that that's secure enough. We have. Community work sites where and that's. Really where we prefer to do our training. We have. Community work sites where people actually go to go to their training at Kroger at once and minor which is a medical packaging company where well star warehouse and other parts of well star. We have a number and we do we do work for first day to task. And in many ways we do fulfillment for them. We do box miking we have Remember we serve all different types of people with disabilities so people with. Blindness and deafness have two completely different name intellectual disabilities people with mental health issues all of those things we've got have a smorgasbord of kinds of services. We also one of our product lines as I call it is is our foundation and we do fun writing we have a vehicle donation program we take payments vehicles and and recycle they have goals and resell them. Well so what else is a we do this is really code was something new. It's a new social enterprise and you'll see you'll hear more about this because it's going to. We are working with Asbury on a motive. And I don't know how many of your drive and Lexus right now I'm not but this is the Lexus dealerships in smart are Roswell. Alpharetta we just opened another one in the morning bowl North Carolina and we are running a coffee shop for them with people whose disability is on the autism spectrum. That's And it's called Cafe Bland's and this is their initiative and we are under. With them but we are partnering with them to put these in dealerships they have eighty five dealerships all over the southeast. So these are individuals on the autism spectrum and there are all kinds of jobs and a café in the café Bland's opportunity it's just it's miking people pulling. Other questions. I thank you for coming in first of all. Now you have gotten such great growth by starting this new kind of social enterprise What are you doing to continue that growth now in the future coming years. Now that we know that we can do it and we have a fire and we have. In fact one of our what is the owner offer or disrupt evolver. OK. OK Mike has an idea does your. And now and you have to cry. Man because we've got to get it done. You know you can't have and I think it is your You've got the IP to do it so. So the kind of people we're looking for are those people who have those ideas and can can take them and put them in factual business plans and so you know this is going to work. It's kind of like a different more than anything it's going to promote our mission. We're not looking at things that don't promote our mission and employ people with disabilities. Yet I think I think another huge growth strategy is just to continue to roll this out on a national basis because the other community rehab centers that have seen the growth of They've experienced they're all like help us do this and so it is it could be phenomenal based based on the metrics that they're offering and the way clients are choosing to be with them because of the metrics. So it's that's amazing. Yeah. Yes. People are saying why don't you find trans this. Well back. That's not really what we want to do we want to grow it but we want it to grow us while we're growing it and not come find company. We want to be the same thing we are which is a mission by store. OK. Thank you for coming. My question is this isn't. So hard is finding new clients work for as a writer is it to see him as other consulting firms and are you. The only firm in this business are their competitors as well. Well there are lots of competitors in the. I think the question was about how do we get business. And number two was the competitors in the business there are lots of people millions of people especially with the economic crisis going on that evolved and have sort of appeared in the innovation space. Usually they'll have a piece that they really specialize in. As far as we know in terms of going all the way around to the thinking patterns required to create the ideas where the only people to have that kind of end and innovation product but there are lots of different versions of innovation out there on the social space there are many models the ones we have seen the most of are the models that tell we're going to teach organizations how to choose it's sort of like pig number two the one that says we're going to do the organization the same way we're going to carve aside money and we're going to donate that to a cause. So most of the people that we see in the space are and door number two. So to speak and not literally using it to drive it as a core growth strategy. That's what we're saying OK great. I'm not going to comment. It's supposed to be this question out surprise answered. So I've got to it's a good one but I don't know if we have time for it and if you if you need to go please. It's a good. It won't go away for me to post. OK I asked McConnell and. You know in the world of carbon credits you guys are hearing about carbon credits are being issued mitigation bank credits etc etc Where do opportunities exist for social credits. OK Is there a way to get tax incentives in credits back for employing for example people with disabilities in the social implications of that. Yes and. Thank you for asking that question quite welcome. Act But I think the reason I want to talk about it is because these people I would they're going to say I pull to you guys always and I assume this happened and you can advance this idea after Senate this a couple times to some legislators side. And and that's kind of how far we've gotten. But but I do think that the the big Corp's and. Non-profits and and companies that want to really Mike a difference in the social environment. Is you know if we could get tax credits to I mean if if I get tax credits why not get social credit that can can take people and the like productive individuals out of what could that do for our economy type people and put them to work doing something and giving companies incentives to do that instead of just tax credits to the impact again I just I love this metric of you you hire someone you employ someone that has been employed before with disabilities you reduce public assistance you increase tax rates tax paying rates at the same time I mean it's it's an amazing number in terms of the multiples of what happens to it. So that certainly is worthy of social credits you guys work on that. Yes we're coming up on me thank you Rick.