Welcome to tonight's seminar. sorry David couldn't make it here today but it's good because I want to job where. It's my pleasure to introduce our speaker today he got to the grief in Atlanta math at Harvard University in a time of nine hundred ninety two ninety four he was the editor of The Journal of you repressive in reproducible results. In ninety ninety one when I was four he was he's found at this price. He was it he's a great writer he's the author of six books and he's a great speaker his TED talk online has been watch over a million times so we've updated you let's welcome market week on. Thank you Richard Can everyone hear me OK. I know it's a foolish question because if you can't hear me you can't hear the question. And I wonder if we could turn the lights down a little bit I'm going to be showing you a lot of pictures the reason I'm going to show you a lot of pictures is way back when I first became a magazine editor and started talking about the things that we were writing about I discovered that if I just talk about them people were highly amused and they would come up afterwards and compliment me on making up such wonderful jokes and I would have to explain to them that I don't tell jokes I was just telling you facts and by experiment I discovered that if I show pictures of these things it makes it easier for people to at least try to believe that I'm just telling you facts. So. That's our logo that either explains itself or it doesn't. I will explain things as we go along and. We'll take questions afterwards if you have some. Is this a tradition of how you turn the whites. There you can turn the lights down. A OK Thank you. OK. The first thing I'm going to show you I will tell you about the ignoble crisis and I'm going to show you a little piece of video from about one year ago if you were living in the Canadian city of Winnipeg and you watch the evening news one year ago you would have seen this. We. Are in. Well looking for a point. Of all this. That that was apparently their first exposure to the Ig Nobel Prizes I'm going to tell you about last year's winners but before that I'm going to look back even farther into the past and tell you about two other things that have won ignoble prices and just to give you a little bit of context to win an ignoble prize there's just one criterion it's very different from any other prize that we're aware of this is for things that make people laugh and then think that's it but it's got to do both of those things it's got to be at first glance at first hearing something that's just funny. And then something that also sticks in your head so that week later really all you want to do is find your best friends and tell them about it that's the quality that we look for we give ten of these a year and this one. Won a prize way back in about nine hundred ninety four. This is a paper that was published in a medical journal. And as you can see it's called failure of electric shock treatment for rattlesnake and venom ation the the brief version of what this describes it's a case that two doctors treated about somebody they identified only as patient X. patient X. they explain is a former Marine who had a pet rattlesnake and he was very aware that rattlesnakes are dangerous and that if you are bitten by a rattlesnake you better get medical treatment really fast or you could die so he studied up and he went to what he regarded as the best source of medical information this was some men's magazines he found. These men's magazines all gave him pretty much the same advice and he took it to heart the advice was If you see somebody who is bitten by a rattlesnake you should immediately pass electric current through that person's body at the spot where the snake bit the person that was the advice he had in mind now it's not the advice you will get from any medical journal or any medical professional that we've ever run into but that's the advice that he believed was quite real he went out with a friend of his hiking one day they were in Arizona they went out in in the jeep with a pet rattlesnake and they started walking and the snake bit this man on his lip he had already told his friend what to do should this happen and so he insisted that the friend follow instructions so at the insistence of patient X. The friend went and got their jeep brought the jeep up hooked up electrical wires from the jeeps engine to the lip of patient X. and then revved up the Jeep to three thousand. PM for five minutes. That's what he looked like after. They managed to get in touch with the hospital he was helicoptered to Tucson two doctors saved his life and then they teased out all this background information and thought that the world ought to know about this and so they wrote this report and again we gave the ignoble prize to the two doctors and to patient X. I'll tell you a little bit of background on this every ignoble prize has many additional stories connected to it if you choose to follow the details I'll tell you just a very few of them the ones who be here all night this one something that I learned just a couple of years ago I had met one of the doctors way back when but I met the second doctor just a couple years ago when he came up to the Ig Nobel Prizes to to the ceremony to take a bow we invite past winners come back because the audience always loves to see past winners and then he and I talked some and he told me the story that was not in this and in fact not many people know that after they save this guy's life then the Dr went and sat and talked with Him God is history one question was Have you ever been bitten by a snake before and patient X. said Yes I was back when I was in the military in Okinawa I was bitten by a snake and a doctor saved my life. The doctor. Who was interviewing him said. In surprise do you remember the name of the doctor who treated you is the same doctor. Dr had saved this guy's life twice both for snake bites. When you read things in medical journals or in science journals keep in mind that often there are extra parts of the story that are not included in what's published. So this is one thing for the past I wanted to show just to give us of flavor of what the Ig Nobel Prize can be about each one is very different Here's another one this next one is a paper a psychology paper that won the Ig Nobel Prize in the year two thousand. This is written by two psychologists name Dunning and Kruger some of you may have heard the phrase the Dunning Kruger effect it comes from or because of this paper they publish this in one nine hundred ninety nine we gave them the prize the next year yeah as you can see the paper is called unskilled and unaware of it how difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self assessments Let me read that again. Unskilled and unaware of how difficulties in recognizing one's own incompetence lead to inflated self assessments. Tell you a little bit more about the ignoble general. Again this is the only criterion it's for achievements of any kind that make people laugh than think many of them do have to do with science and technology and medicine but many are have to do with other things we often give out of Peace Prize we have many times given out a literature prize we've given our art prizes all sorts of things the Peace Prize morn year went to the man who invented karaoke. There is a man who invented karaoke he is Japanese as you may have guessed he came to the ceremony it was his first visit to the United States he was surprised to learn that karaoke had reached the United States. And we gave him the peace prize rather than some other category because as the citation explained by inventing karaoke he invented an entirely new way for people to learn to tolerate each other. Who. We see get this back and press the wrong button Patricia you know I can recover this I was talking about incompetence right. Very much including my own. If you win an Ig Nobel Prize and I'll tell you in a minute about how that happens but if you win an ignoble prize and you do win an actual prize it's a different design every year every year it's hand-made of extremely cheap materials. This is the prize from two years ago we have a big ceremony and we have a theme for the ceremony different theme every year theme does not necessarily connect with any particular prize but with some of the other things that happened the theme that year was time so you can see how this prize fits in with that there are a couple unusual things I'll point out about this it's quite obviously a clock if you look carefully at the number of minutes in this clock it's sixty one minutes and you can see each of the hands is a sand clock. And you might want to think a little bit about the mechanics and the history of what's going on with these two kinds of clocks one did in one you win if you come to the ceremony you win an actual prize your team each each team member also gets a piece of paper that says they've won an ignoble prize that piece of paper signed by several people who have Nobel Prizes So it's a it's a nice piece of paper to have and there's a tradition among many of the winners that they take that piece of paper home frame it in a nice glass frame and then hang it in the bathroom above the toilet. And. We have no money so we never were able to give a cash award unlike other prizes and in fact if you win a prize and you want to come to the ceremony you have to get yourself to the ceremony and back and a lot of the winners come from other countries but most of the winners do but we figured out a way a few years ago to give cash. To the winners lots of cash and so now each winner or winning team gets ten trillion dollars they get a ten trillion dollar bill from Zimbabwe. The man who is responsible for creating those ten trillion dollars bills and also the Hundred Trillion dollar bills and also the one dollar bills that they print at the same time. Which he explained is necessary because when you spend this this is his explanation when you spend large amounts of money you still have to make change. That government official also won an ignoble prize in mathematics for that and just a little bit about the process we get something like nine or ten thousand new nominations every year for the prize pretty consistently between ten percent and twenty percent of the nominations or people who nominate themselves they almost never win it does happen one of them is in Atlanta you may know him or know of him Franz Deval. Who let you look it up on your own what he won for so he and one of his students and in most cases when we select somebody or select a team we get in touch with them quietly we offer them the prize quietly give them the opportunity to decline this great honor if they wish to and happily most people who are offered a prize decide to accept. The ceremony the winners are kept secret until we announce them on stage so they travel in secrecy and then the heart of the ceremony up at Harvard and it's webcast every year has been since one thousand nine hundred five is the heart of it is when we introduce each new winner and the winner steps out through a curtain and there's a Nobel Prize winner waiting to shake their hand and give them their Ig Nobel Prize and it's quite a lovely moment it says it's as if the universe had two opposite ends and they're getting. To meet and and look each other in the eye and you can see neither one quite believes that it's happening. And then in between those ten presentations of the Newegg Nobel prizes we do lots of other stuff we jam in all kinds of things quickly including even an every year a new little opera about something in science sung by opera singers and the Nobel laureates have a walk in a walk on part at the end this is a picture from the opera that year it was about the leap second. And those are clocks human clocks back and we made use of those human clocks elsewhere in the ceremony they'll tell you about in a bit. We also that year one of the other things that we jammed into the ceremony was a quick little competition it was a tic tac toe competition with very quick rules and we had four teams competing against each other one was a NASA scientist and that's the woman on the left one was a brain surgeon that's the man who is dressed as he normally is at work like a brain surgeon the third team was a team of Nobel Prize winners and the fourth team was a team of roller derby skaters. And their two I'll give you the pleasure of this pleasure of looking up who won the video from this ceremony mostly others is on the web on our website so you can watch these things actually happening. And there's a tradition at the ceremony that started early on I'm pretty sure is the second year of a lot of people in the audience arrive carrying big heaps of paper which they use to make paper airplanes so it's a rather active airspace and in the building. Here's a quick look at the winners of the prizes last year the Ig Nobel Prize for reproduction that's the first time we ever gave a prize in that field reproduction. Went to the late Dr Ahmed Shah week from Egypt. For testing the effects of wearing polyester cotton or wool trousers on the sex life of rats. And for then conducting similar tests on the human male. This is one of the many papers that Dr Shafik published about that you can get copies of these things quite likely from your library or over the net and if you can't find him anywhere else go to our website your links to all these things and the next the next image I'm going to show you is one of the illustrations that's part of this study. The Ig Nobel Prize for economics was awarded to a team from New Zealand and the U.K.. They won for assessing the perceived personalities of rocks. From a sales and marketing perspective. They published a paper describing their research it's called the brand personality of rock's critical evaluation of a brand personality scale. This is some detail. And perhaps you have your own evaluation of the personality of each of these rocks. And here are two of the three authors at the Ig Nobel ceremony giving their acceptance speech. And we have a mechanism in place. Often we use an eight year old girl for this this particular year we switched and we use those human clocks from the opera that when when the clocks felt that any of the speakers had talked long enough the truth typically was after about one minute the clocks would come over and begin making clock sounds and that would really was quite effective in keeping the speeches brief. Here are some pictures that we ourselves put together of rocks that are famous for having distinct personalities. Look here I can see there are some people who aren't quite sure why this. Picture is here if you are not quite sure why this picture is here look around you. Find the youngest person near you ask that person to explain to you why this picture is here. Again looking around I can see there are some other people who aren't quite sure why this picture is here. If you're not quite sure why this picture is here look around you find the oldest person near you and ask them to explain why this picture is here the Ig Nobel Physics Prize was awarded to a team based in Hungary but the members are from several different countries as you can see hungry Spain Sweden and Switzerland they were awarded the prize for discovering why white haired horses are the most horse fly proof horses that's their phrase in their paper or supply proof and also for discovering why dragonflies are fatally attracted to black tombstones. They published a paper about each of these discoveries this is the the dragon fly paper in both cases it has to do with polarized light what happens when light bounces off the surfaces the horse coat or the black gravestone and then what happens in the eyes of these insects we're able to recognize certain polarizations of light that's that's the physics behind this this is some detail from the dragon fly paper and this is the horse paper. The most horsefly proof horses a D. polarising way code and here's some detail from that horse paper. And here's a horse. This is Susan office and from Sweden one of the co-authors at the ceremony at the moment right after she was handed her Ig Nobel prize the Ig Nobel Prize for Chemistry was awarded to vote. For solving the problem of excessive automobile pollution emissions. By automatically electro mechanically producing fewer emissions. Whenever the cars are being tested. In the past year I've done a lot of talks in many countries. And in quite a few of them in Europe and every country I was in I talk about this prize before I mention anything other than the name Vokes wagon everybody in the place already knows what I'm talking about and especially in the countries around Germany people got extremely excited about this. You know this is part of the the Environmental Protection Agency's report about this grand achievement. The Ig Nobel Medicine all. The question was did Volkswagen show up we tried. We tried you know it's like trying to get a bureaucracy to agree to something so so we we were not able. To get anybody who could was willing to publicly make a decision. So in that kind of case we simply awarded you know if they're already so well known for this that this could not possibly really affect them now the Ig Nobel Medicine Prize was awarded to a team from Germany could see it was a good year for Germany. They were honored for discovering that if you have an itch on the left side of your body you can relieve that by looking into a mirror and scratching on the right side of your body. And vice versa. This is the paper in which they describe their research it's called it's relief by mirror scratching psychophysical study. And this is one of the authors at the ceremony being urged to finish up his brief acceptance speech you may have noticed that there is Silverman on the left there and if you notice perhaps you're wondering who that is and Eve maybe even why he's there he is named Jim Brett Jim has a Ph D. from MIT. And wildly poetic phrase that he invents lots of stuff and of the many inventions Jim has there are two that people generally consider to be his greatest two inventions one of them is inventing this idea of what he's doing now he is a human spotlight we always have two of them at the ceremony they will move most of their clothing paint themselves silver and hold a flashlight up they eliminate the proceedings Jim invented this concept of the human spotlight and he also many years ago was one of the people who invented something called three D. printing. Three dimensional printing same guy. He's not the sole inventor but there are just you know handful of them who did and after after that we had our own demonstration since we happen to have some Nobel laureates available on stage we asked and we had some mirrors we stage a little demonstration. Tickling thing. You can try this yourself of course. The Ig Nobel Prize for psychology was awarded to a team from Belgium the Netherlands Germany Canada and the US. For asking a thousand light years how often they lie. And for deciding whether to believe those. They published this paper about it papers call from junior to senior and cross sectional lifespan investigation of deception this is a detail from the study and you can see that the. The horizontal line tells what how many lies people admitted to telling during the past twenty four hours you know from one lie on the left to more than twenty on the right and the vertical scale here is what percentage of of all people who answer this thing told that many lies during the past day and admits to it. And as you can see every pretty much everybody admits to lying a little bit and I would be surprised if there's anybody here who doesn't lie a little bit you know typically something like I really like your square. And quite a few people say they lie even two or three times a day but it drops off after that pretty quickly and pretty methodically here but then something strange happens if you look up because there seems to be a group of people who behave in a very different way from almost everybody else this group of people quite. Obviously admits that they lie twenty times or more day. You know very different from everybody else. And so that's you know that's one of the findings you might you might ponder what this means and whether this applies to anything that you have encountered in your life especially recently. And here's one of the authors accepting it is it Nobel Prize the ignoble Peace Prize. Which many consider the most prestigious of the Nobel Prize. Was awarded to a team based in Canada. For their study called on the reception and detection. Of pseudo profound bullshit. Here's a look at their paper which sure enough is called on the reception and detection of pseudo profound bullshit I'll remind you you can get copies of these papers pretty easily. And if you want if you go to any good librarian and ask for it usually they're pretty pleased that somebody is asking them for these things that's their paper this is the team at the ceremony at the moment they were concluding their acceptance speech the Ig Nobel Biology Prize. Was awarded jointly to two people. One of them is Charles Foster Charles Foster got his share of the Ig Nobel Biology Prize for living in the wild as at different times a badger an author a deer a fox and a bird. He shared the prize with another man both of them are British by the way. Named the other man is named Thomas the weights and you are now a little familiar with Thomas Thwaites Thomas Thwaites got his prize for creating prosthetic extensions of his limbs that allowed him to move in the manner of and spend time roaming hills in the company of goats. Each of them has written a book and I've I've read these books they're really they're they're quite worth reading these books. Go to man is the name of Thomas Wade's his book he. At a talk that we did together in London a few months ago some at Imperial College London somebody in the audience asked him. When you spent time this is on a mountainside in Switzerland he said when you spent all this time with the goats living with the goats. Did you have any personal relationships anything develop. And Thomas. Became a little bit shy for a moment. And then he said Well probably nothing like you really want to hear there was nothing sexual. But there was one go. Go to number eighteen. That's goat number eighteen there. And should you ever meet Thomas and feel free to ask him about it he seems to have fond memories. And so was the two of them that's Charles Foster who lived as all those different animals and he really did he lived out in a hole in the woods for weeks at a time eating the things that something that lived in a hole in the woods would eat and communing with the other things there or living underwater in a stream his head above history and various other things and here's Thomas Thwaites at the ceremony. We discovered that when somebody is has been converted into a goat it's a little difficult to hand them something have them grasp it. And here are a few pictures from his time on the mountainside I'm assuming you want to see a few more pictures of me. You recognize both of these characters. The Ig Nobel Literature Prize was awarded to Frederick Schubert from Sweden. For a three volume autobiographical work that he wrote. All about the pleasures of collecting flies that are dead and flies that are not yet. This is the first volume it's been translated into English. It too is well worth a read. And here he is at the Ig Nobel ceremony delivering his acceptance speech the Ig Nobel perception prize first time we've given a prize in that field the perception Prize was awarded to two scientists from Japan for investigating whether things look different when you bend over and view them between your legs. They wrote this paper about it called perceived size and perceived distance of targets viewed from between the legs evidence for appropriate deceptive theory appropriate Cept of is a big word from psychology probably quite a number of people in this room use this word regularly but it's pretty likely that there are lots of people in this room who have never seen this word before and I wonder if well I'd like to ask a favor of if there's somebody in the room who is familiar with this word and wouldn't mind standing up and just explaining it in a sentence or two for everybody else anybody familiar with it. You know would you mind. Here's a here's a microphone here. And are standing up Proprioception is that it's awareness of your body in space. Including their relative positions of your joints Yeah it's like something Times called in additional sense yes that's what it is and we ask a further favor would you mind coming up here and. And. Hang on to the microphone and it would you might yet stand it would you mind bending over just looking for you look through your legs and and and maybe you can help balance here. Well yeah if you could do that and then when you're doing that explain again. In case anyone had difficulty understanding the first time yes sure your cat. Does you could you help. I just explain again please I don't know now I have an entirely different take on things I. Proprioception is the awareness of the relative positions of different parts of your body in space. It's sometimes referred to as a sixth sense. Is that good enough and that's good enough but thank you thank you. Thank you. Here is the lead author of that study finishing up his acceptance speech and then he felt that this is a difficult concept for people who've never encountered it so he too decided to give a demonstration to the audience. And we were still worried that this was such a new thing to most people that we thought it wouldn't hurt to give another demonstration and so we asked the four Nobel Prize winners. On stage to help. Which they very kindly did. During the past year I have been told and I have seen news reports that and I've been told by many reporters from Japan that this particular prize was especially popular in Japan the Ig Nobel had been very popular in Japan I'd been told for many many years but this this prize and this professor apparently got even more than the usual amount of attention and people described him to me as having become something of a hero to a lot of people you know in the sense that people want a scientist to be something of a you know intellectual hero for them and that around Japan many places that are places tourists go to look at beautiful scenery have started to. Take notice of this and so there are things like this. And if anyone here is traveling to Japan in the next year or so and you run across this I I would be appreciative if you drop me a note and tell me if you try this yourself and what you learned. At the end of each ignoble ceremony every year we ask all the winners and all the other people who are involved to gather at the center of the stage for a pointless photo opportunity that's what you see here so that was the end of the ceremony and this year's ceremony happened just three weeks ago you can look up the winners on our website you can watch them and we are now starting to gather all of the things we need to gather to prepare for next year's ceremony and if you know of somebody who you think deserves an ignoble prize could be yourself. Could be your best friend could be your colleague could be your enemy could be anybody but if you ever run across somebody who you think deserves a prize just drop us a note that's how we've learned about the vast majority of people who wanted Nobel prizes that one person somewhere happened to notice it and was kind enough to send in a nomination so that would be really very nice of you to do that. This is our magazine The Annals of Improbable Research comes out six times a year and one issue the issue at the end of the year is always a special issue about the ignoble winners from that year and you can see go man was the almost mandatory choice for the picture we've put on the cover I hope you'll subscribe to the magazine the magazine is mostly little quotations and citations from mostly science reports from around the world and some of them very old some of them very new about all kinds of things that have this quality of making people laugh and then think so here especially if you run across something and a lot of people in this room are scientists or on the way to becoming scientists you run across all sorts of. Off if you run across something with this quality please do what you usually do tell your two or three friends about that and then drop us a know so that maybe we can tell the rest of the world so that's pretty much what I've come to tell you be very happy to answer any questions if you have some and thank you very much thank you. Thank you. If there were more than three questions probably many of you know but perhaps quite a few of you don't know that Patricia Young is an ignoble Prize winner she and David who her advisor. Thank you Patricia or would you mind explaining in a couple of sentences what you did that won your prize No I was winning. Business pricing fifteen study how long it takes for animal to uni Big Oil most P. and its entire twenty one seconds plus minus thirty seconds and this is almost any mammal all mammals from elephant to Elson to cats to tigers to human beings twenty one seconds plus or minus thirteen seconds OK this too you can do a little research on your own you have a question raise your arm and and Patricia will bring you a microphone. I mean I know at least one big Know when to get to know how many have got Nobel prizes by now how many ignoble Prize winners have got Nobel Prize winners. One and sort of another one. The one is Andre Geim who won an ignoble prize in the year two thousand he and another physicist use magnets to levitate a frog. You may have seen the videos of this you can find this on Youtube very easily they did this because they rediscover. Heard something about magnetism that most physicists were not aware of now or had forgotten and almost nobody else would believe and this was a pretty dramatic demonstration of it and it's not just rocks it's all sorts of stuff ten years later Andre Geim was awarded a Nobel Prize in Physics for something else but the way he found that something else sounds equally goofy maybe more so quite likely when you were a kid you played with pencil and paper and scotch tape you scribble with a pencil on the paper and you use some scotch tape to pick up some of the gray stuff on there and then maybe you flex it and you watch the little grey flakes come up. There is a substance that called graphene familiar to many of you which is a form of carbon it's the two dimensional form so it's it's a sheet one atom thick so you know thin it's possible thing on earth and chemists had known for a long time that this thing exists and they've known where to find it you can find it in any pencil that graphite that gray stuff is millions of layers of these sheets stick together but they stick together so tightly nobody had ever managed to get them apart which was extremely frustrating because there's all kinds of interesting stuff possibly going on there but nobody could test it in any way until Andre Geim and one of his students one night were playing with a pencil and scotch tape and a piece of paper and they collected some of the stuff that flaked off and they put it under a microscope and they discovered they had the first known big enough samples to examine to examine and play with of graphene anywhere and as a result of that many of you know quite well and probably some of you are working on around the world there are entire new branches of science and there are tire new industries built up around the things they've discovered that this graphene. Can do so you never know you know when you're when you're trying things out the this sort of part there's another winner who won an ignoble prize and who already technically had a share of a Nobel Prize technically is because he had worked for one of the large international agencies that one Nobel Peace Prize so all of the hundreds of employees technically have a Nobel Prize but you know that's different he won his ignoble prize he and a colleague there Dutch they study insects and in particular they're trying to find ways to prevent malaria from being spread so much so they discovered that the malaria mosquitoes are strongly very strongly attracted to two very specific odors they're attracted to the odor of Limburger cheese. And the odor of human feet. And they point out that there is something of a connection between those two things Limburger cheese comes from Limburg It's a region that straddles the border between Belgium and the Netherlands and that way back when originally Limburger cheese was made by monks with bare feet stamping around in the milk. The bacteria that you can find in Limburger cheese and the bacteria that are on many human feet these scientists say is almost identical Isn't that interesting. Anybody else have a question. Are you going to listen to find out for ourselves what it was about this magnetism which we don't forgotten. You said that this guy with the floating frogs all give you the pleasure of looking at. Both of them have written about it under a Gaiman my Michael Berry is is the other and both of them have written about it quite a bit and and are all very very happy to talk and write more about it but it's more of a pleasure I think if you look it up yourself. What's your favorite big Nobel Prize that you've given people ask me that all the time and it's always a different one but I have I have one that I usually mention it because it's always one of my favorites it's the Biology Prize we gave out in the year two thousand and three it went to the scientists from the Netherlands who studies birds he's an ornithologist He's also one of the people who runs the Natural History Museum in the city of Rotterdam His name is case Muhlach or he noticed something really unusual one day and his he told his colleagues about it and they all told him you have to write this up and publish it in the scientific journal and he he resisted and for six years and finally he gave into nagging and he published it in a little biology journal in the Netherlands somebody who reads it sent us a copy we gave it the prize that report by case military is the first scientific report of homosexual necrophilia. In the mallard duck. It's also one of the best written scientific reports you ever. Case has done TED talk a lot of Nobel winners have done TED Talks and their thing and cases is one of the most popular go. If you're curious in just Google the four words TED talk dead duck. And every year. On June fifth at the Museum of cases now the director of the museum they but for many years now every year on June fifth they have a big celebration to commemorate the anniversary of the incident. Ok saw and the public comes in they have scientists give talks they reenact what happened. And then anybody who wants to walks a short distance into the middle of downtown Rotterdam and they all enjoy together a lovely six course duck dinner. OK next question. All of the examples of Sept one and that you showed us were published in peer review journal three right yeah but you're going to treat it the chemistry one was based on a press release How did you get how did a happen because it's irrelevant to many things really are irrelevant to us in choosing these prizes you first of all it doesn't have to be about science the only thing that matters is that it's something that that has that quality it makes people anywhere laugh and then think. It does not matter to us whether it's good or bad. And the notion of good and bad changes a lot you look back over the history of science almost everything that's considered good that's taught in every science class you've ever taken if you go back and look at the earliest history people made fun of it. So add some time to something and what's good may later come to be seen as bad or vice versa you don't know whether something is important or trivial also that doesn't matter for this so whether it was documented first in a press release we check more than just the press release but it doesn't matter whether they are professional scientist or not we've given a couple prizes to kids. Don't think one of the prizes gave three weeks ago it was to somebody who did. The work while he was a high school student He's now a sophomore at University of Virginia he was a high school student in South Korea he all tell you what he did he built on. Some research that wanted Nobel Prize. Years ago done by two physicists in California who examine the physics of why it is when you hold a cup of coffee and walk that it's almost impossible to do that without spilling and it is the physics of it make it nearly impossible. This high school kid in Korea read this report thought about it and wondered. What happens if you hold a cup of coffee and walk backwards. And so that's what his report is about and he discovered a couple things I'll tell you just one one of them is he discovered that it's far less likely to spill because of that the reason is when you walk forward as you probably have experienced too many times. Everybody who walks at all comfortably gets into a rhythm and so you're you know the harmonics mean you're sloshing this more and more it's going to spill that's why it spills when you walk backwards very few people are adept at walking backwards and so you don't get into much of a rhythm unless you're a professional dancer you may have training so you do but otherwise almost nobody does of course there are other problems if you walk backwards that might cause a spill. That maybe one or two more questions yeah so. Going back to your slides about the personality of rocks I was wondering what do you have against Twain Johnson. There is so much to say about each of these prizes that the agonizing thing is is paring down and only saying a little so it's you're right it's a terrible deficiency. And and in future talks I really should include him. Yeah I apologize to anyone who's offended because when Johnson. OK And final question. Is it quite easy to get Nobel Prize winners to agree to participate in this I would think that some of them might be good sports and there were other ways if we were to get the same people going back if you're used to friends there are some who come back most years when they're not traveling and then there are some who come once or twice or every few years all we can do is ask them. That's that's our only power is to invite people and some people think it's a fun thing to do and some people really think it's it's not what they do and so they don't come that's about it. But you know it's fun when they do they get to they've got to be kind of off duty you know and somebody gets prizes on that level for the rest of their life they're treated wonderfully but sometimes it's nice to not be officially a God every single moment to be able to be out in public and you just have people appreciate you for being a person who is another person in the room so I think that maybe a little part of it too so anyway thank you very much for coming tonight thank you to an event and for arranging this I want to thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. My career and if you want more information any of this stuff just go to our website improbable dot com Thank you.